AGN, you're using a made up person who lies about being part of the Russian Academy of Sciences in her own fucking articles. The person makes up weapons which don't exist, and has no accountability.I don't really need to respond to what an imaginary liar says about that fired radio host. It just helps to show how desperate you are, coming up with imaginary people with false credentials to support your view. It shows the depth of your academic (dis)honesty and (lack of) care for the truth. A smart debater would have distanced himself from this lie, yet you stick to it.Ironically, you also posted an article about "Looking for Truth in Credentials: The WTC 'Experts'." The main point throughout the whole article is to discredit the people who are refuting your claims, not by responding to their actual arguments, but by claiming that they are either unqualified or compromised. You presumably agree with this article. What's funny is that while real people who provide rebuttals for your views can be discounted by recalling some "failing" in their credentials, doing the same for your imaginary author is not allowed.Dishonest, dishonest, dishonest... What steps will you take next to confuse and deceive the good readers of this and other threads?
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Ok I've had enough of you. The initial "fake person" never claimed to be from russian academy it said reported TO the russian academy. As for you calling me dishonest and telling me i am taking steps to confuse and deceive people, it's just wrong. I post lots of articles and it's up to people to make their own minds up. You obviously don't like the way I run the boards here and you have some kind of weird fetish that stems from debating people. I'm over it and I'm done with it. Create your own forums for masturbatory debate and then you won't ever have to worry about my alleged dishonesty, deceit, and confusion.
Scot, I am curious as to your source for that article you posted about Don Imus's firing.Also, I was recently directed to a post by a friend on an admitted "conspiracy site" called abovetopsecret.com. Despite there being a lot of (imo) wacked stuff on there, it's also sprinkled with well researched and documented posts like the one on 9/11 entitled "too many coincidences".It's stuff that many who have interest in 9/11 already know about, but it puts it in a nice concise post.http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread275547/pg1
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the imus thing i found on usenet in a couple of forumsalt.politics, alt.conspiracy, alt.fan-howard-sternThe only reason I posted it was because i figured if it was something said ON THE SHOW, it would be public knowledge. It wasn't claiming this was said in private. I'll check out that site now.
Regarding Don Imus, I don't know what lead up to the "nappy ho's" being made a big deal, since I have not really researched it, but you have made me interested.To be honest, I thought it was straight forward. Simply the usual suspects over reacting, and the rutgers womens basketball team loving the camera time. I personally thought the whole thing was rediculous, and just a further diversion from the things americans should really be concerned about. A collapsing real estate market, leading to what could be one of the worst economic downturns in american history.What I find ludicrous is the numerous politicians suggesting bailouts of those defaulting on their mortgage, and requesting that mortgage lenders be summoned to washington.The ludicrous part about it, is that the fed is the one who generated this problem to begin with, yet it will never be questioned. Bernanke, basically a clone of greenspan continues to try and manipulate the market, and prevent a crash, or as they call it (soften the fall). The problem all along is that the fed has not allowed the market to self correct. So what happens is that instead of small losses and gains along the way, we have been putting off any kind of small loss in favor of a massive surge...a surge AGAINST market forces. So what happens is, in the end you end up with a crash / hard landing, instead of small soft corrections over time.And of course, this is simply the tip of the iceberg. For the most part, americans have zero savings, and have been conditioned that credit, and a million dollars in debt, if you want to roll together a mortgage, car loans, school loans, etc, is simply a way of life, and THE AMERICAN DREAM. On top of this, anyone who has had half a brain, and a little bit of self control, who managed to save a few bucks, now finds them nearly worthless, due to the inflationary policy of the fed.On top of this with the removal of the M3 number, we have zero idea of how much money is actually out there.But I guess the biggest fraud is that our system of payment in this country is actually "money", as it has zero worth, and zero backing. Without debt, we have no money, since our money, is created by the country indebting itself to a private entitity, the federal reserve.
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From Reuters Today. This backs up some of what was said in the Loose Change video
PARIS — Nine months before al-Qaida slammed airliners into the World Trade Center, French intelligence suspected the terror network was plotting a hijacking _ possibly involving a U.S. airline _ and warned the CIA, former French intelligence officials said Monday.But the French warning hinted at a plot in Europe, not the United States, and there was no suggestion of suicide attacks or multiple planes. One former official said al-Qaida may have leaked misinformation to divert intelligence agencies from the bigger, deadlier plot to come on Sept. 11, 2001.The warning was another example of how intelligence agents sensed al-Qaida was hard at work in the months leading up to Sept. 11 but were unable to piece together fragmented warnings into a coherent plot.Le Monde first reported the story Monday as it published excerpts of 328 pages of classified documents from France's main foreign intelligence agency, the DGSE. One note, dated Jan. 5, 2001, reported that al-Qaida was plotting a hijacking.Details were vague."It wasn't about a specific airline or a specific day, it was not a precise plot," Pierre-Antoine Lorenzi, the former chief of staff for the agency's director, told The Associated Press. "It was a note that said, 'They are preparing a plot to hijack an airplane, and they have cited several companies.'"Le Monde printed a copy of part of the note. In early 2000 in Kabul, Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden met with Taliban leaders and armed groups from Chechnya and discussed the possibility of hijacking a plane after takeoff in Frankfurt, Germany, the note said, citing Uzbek intelligence.The note listed potential targets: American, Delta, Continental, and United airlines, Air France and Lufthansa. The list also mentioned a "US Aero," but it was unclear exactly what that referred to.Two of the carriers, United and American, were targeted on Sept. 11.CIA spokesman George Little said Le Monde's article "merely repeats what the U.S. government knew and reported before Sept. 11 _ that al-Qaida was interested in airliner plots, especially hijackings.""The article does not suggest that U.S. or foreign officials had advance knowledge of the details surrounding the Sept. 11 plot," he said. "Had the details been known, the U.S. government would have acted on them."The Sept. 11 Commission and a joint congressional inquiry into the attacks have described vague warnings of potential threats in the months before Sept. 11, 2001.The 9/11 commission said that, as the year began, the CIA started receiving "frequent but fragmentary" threat reports. Among other warnings, the intelligence community sent out a March 2001 terror threat advisory about a heightened threat of Sunni extremist attacks against U.S. facilities, personnel and other interests.During that investigation George Tenet, CIA director at the time, told the commission that "the system was blinking red.""Everyone knew that something was cooking, that these people were preparing something big and spectacular," Alain Chouet, former chief of the security intelligence service at the DGSE, told AP. "Our American colleagues knew, our European colleagues knew, everyone did. But nobody had a hint it would happen inside the United States _ on the contrary."The DGSE drew up nine reports about al-Qaida threats to U.S. interests in the year leading up to Sept. 11, 2001, Le Monde said. The agency gained experience fighting Islamist terrorism when Algerian insurgents set off deadly bombs in Paris in the mid-1990s.The Sept. 11 Commission report mentions a 1994 Algerian plot with chilling similarities to Sept. 11 _ the hijacking of an Air France flight by Algerian militants who threatened to blow it up over the Eiffel Tower. The hijackers were killed when French commandos stormed the plane.Before drafting the January 2001 notice, the DGSE was tipped off by Uzbek intelligence. Chouet said Abdul Rashid Dostum, an Afghan warlord from the Uzbek community who was fighting the Taliban, had sent his men to infiltrate al-Qaida camps. Their information was passed to Western intelligence officials. Today, Dostum is chief of staff of the Afghan army.The French certainly passed the note along to the CIA, Chouet said."We transmitted everything to our American counterparts, everything that could have posed a threat, and they did the same with us," Chouet said.He suggested details of the plot _ such as the European setting _ may have been leaked by al-Qaida to confuse intelligence services. It would not be the first time, he said.An alleged bin Laden associate named Djamel Beghal was arrested in the United Arab Emirates in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks. Investigators suspected he was the ringleader of a plot to send a suicide bomber into the U.S. Embassy in Paris.Chouet says he has concluded that plot was a fake _ "part of a misinformation operation by al-Qaida."
http://www.rense.com/general76/flagd.htmFalse Flags UnfurledBy Douglas HermanExclusive to Rense.com4-25-7Strange how every "terrorist" event in the past ten or fifteen yearsbenefited the various imperial governments of Britain, Israel,Australia and the USA. These false flag terror operations help cementpower, by spreading terror throughout the victim nation. By spreadingthe effects of terror--pictures of damage and film interviews of masshysteria and confusion--the mainstream media of the traumatizedcountry served as an unquestioning, ultra-effective propagandavehicle. The national media acts as a brilliant, second phase of thefalse flag operation, by further spreading the terror while muddyingthe waters to any conflicting evidence or subsequent investigation.Let me list a few suspicious events that helped cement power in thefour countries. There are dozens, and I;m sertain you can think ofmany more, but I've only listed six. Each event intended to (A)scapegoat a group or individual, while ( removing power from theunsuspecting people, while (C ) giving more power to the government,while (D) directing hostility toward the intended group, orindividual, while (E) muddying the facts of the story for futurereference. If you control the events and control the story than youcontrol the people, for your own purposes. 1. The Oklahoma City Bombing. Meant to look like an act of terrorism but closer inspection reveals numerous suspicious indicators of a false flag operation. Multiple bombs reported that day. Multiple persons involved. Experts like USAF General Partin (Google), who saw the site, dismissed the notion that a home-made fertilizer bomb could have demolished a concrete reinforced building.Fortunately, for those who created the false flag terror operation,the US media kept a lid on doubters after the critical first day---andhas ever since---labeling them 'Conspiracy theorists.'OKC screamed false flag, then and now. The intended target? The USmilitia groups, millions of law-abiding patriots andConstitutionalists that had grown significantly after the WacoMassacre by the Clinton/ Reno crime cult. Predictably, apre-programmed patsy, Timothy McVeigh, was tied to a militia group andblamed for the entire massacre. 2. The 911 Attack. The most successful false flag attack in America, but assuredly not the last. Probably engineered by more than one country to BENEFIT MORE THAN ONE COUNTRY. Probably a testing ground for several, secretive types of demolition-weaponry within the tower core. Mission: terrorize and confuse Americans while directing the US population's anger toward the Middle East.Successful? You bet (thus far). To scapegoat an Islamic group, a grouprevealed and then reviled within hours and days. To target anever-widening group to be attacked in the years to come. To contain orcontrol all conflicting evidence. To contain or control allconflicting witnesses. To marginalize, or demonize, all skeptics andwhistleblowers (Somewhat successful thus far, but growing less sountil the internet can be marginalized). And to allow thecorporate-owned, complicit US media free rein to keep a lid on doubts.After the critical first day, the US media has acted as a governmentbureau by spreading and cementing the official story.911: A False Flag Exemplar.The purpose of 911 was manifold. To spread fear. To distract thepublic about critical missing Pentagon trillions. To create a newpower elite in as few hands as possible. To create a wider swath ofpowerful new "enemies," shadowy groups able to attack us here inAmerica. To then create a powerful pretense to attack them and gainpossession of their resources; and to destroy as much of the USConstitution as possible and thus cement more power. 3. The Bali Bombing. Meant to look like an Islamic attack. Purpose: to sow terror and cement hatred of Muslims by terror-striken Australians and get them on board the planned, upcoming, joint attack on Middle East countries. Also, as alleged by some observers, to test new weaponry, perhaps an innovative micro-nuke (see photograph) and to gauge their effects for use against future enemies--foreign or domestic--in future false flag events. 4. The Port Arthur Massacre. Meantto look like the work of a lone gunman in a tiny village but vastly too successful. Far too much expertise for the patsy, far too many suspicious anomalies to list. Purpose: to sow terror among peaceful, law-abiding but individualistic Australian gun owners and thus force restrictive laws allowing nationwide gun confiscation.And the Port Arthur Massacre worked perfectly. The clueless Aussiemedia, headed by future Fox mogul, Rupert Murdoch, served almost as apropaganda ministry for the brand new John Howard administration, andbrushed all doubts and conflicting evidence away.Where it remains hidden today, forever it seems. Reportedly, access tothe Port Arthur case is forbidden to investigators for the next 30years. No CSI for the Port Arthur coverup Aussies, meanwhile, remainvirtually weaponless under "benevolent" Big Brother and John Howard. 5. London Bombing 7-7. Meant to scapegoat Islamic people, of course. (Are we seeing a pattern here?). Served to terrorize Londoners and allow draconian, new power measures while bolstering lagging support of the war in Iraq. Perhaps even served as a punitive strike, to punish Londoners for their lack of war support. 6. Lebanon-Israel Attack. The wily Israelis, to their credit and everlasting shame, borrowed a play from Hitler and the Nazis. Create a false flag incident at the border and retaliate in the confusion. The Nazis started a war with the weaker country of Poland in 1939. The Israelis attempted to do the same.By accusing neighboring Lebanon of capturing two IDF soldiers, Israelclaimed a pretext for war. They attacked and invaded Lebanon and thewar went badly for the Israelis and Olmert. Thousands of deaths anddismemberments on both sides and the false flag backfired.ALL TERROR EVENTS, most importantly, allow beleaguered, often ineptleaders (Blair, Bush, Olmert, Howard) to go before the public andpretend to be strong, pretend to be "leaderly," to the terrorizedmasses. Allegedly under attack, victimized by their own propagandizednews organizations, the people seek the solace and protection of theirfearless leader, and their government, and embrace them both readily.Helped along by continual doses of hysterical propaganda from themedia.IT IS ALL AN ACT, however, scripted from the very beginning, from thefirst explosion to the close up on the fearless leader by the TV newscamera, focusing on the resolute expression with the flags or thenational seal in the background.Whatever weakness the bumbling leader displayed in the weeks, monthsor years beforehand, can be brushed aside with a few, well-prepared,scripted speeches. Weakness and incompetence can even be overturned,trumped even, by ordering restrictive (fascistic) new measures. See Vfor Vendetta, as an excellent film example of this fascistic, falseleadership.False flag events, most importantly of all, serve as a fake, hostileaction by some sinister yet vague enemy, requiring some bold, newreaction by the protective government, naturally headed by the leader.Usually the actions--whether laws, restrictions, warnings ordeclarations (of war)--have already been pre-written. Another clueindicating an obvious false flag operation. One which screams, orshould scream, a warning against approaching totalitarianism.I am inclined to include the recent shooting at VA-Tech as a possiblefalse flag operation. Same type of Manchurian Candidate, lone gunmanas the one at Port Arthur. Same super skilled, remorseless gunmanpossessing killing power that baffles combat-trained specialists. VATech, like Port Arthur, appears to be a black operation for the exactsame reasons. Oddly, both massacres occurred in late April, and lawmeneither could not or would not intervene.But sometimes what is intended to take freedoms away---SecondAmendment Right to Bear Arms---can backfire if enough people seethrough it. If the US government hopes to use Cho as the poster boyfor gun restrictions, and believe me they do, they had better restrictthe Internet first.Oh, wait--They are trying to do that. Another false flag event beingprepared as I write this. perhaps some nuke blast to terrify thecitizenry, since each event must surpass the former in scope andscale. Vigilance, vigilance, forever the price of liberty.
You gotta enjoy this. Kerry is asked about WTC 7 and gets very uncomfortable but admits it came down in a controlled demo fashion. His handlers get squirmy but at the end.. Kerry has his fly open and does some hilarious David Copperfield like moves to get it zipped without anyone noticing. LOL
Here is what we know about the military applications of thermite
Thermite grenades are used as incendiary devices to quickly destroy enemy equipment. Additionally, thermite grenades are used by friendly forces to destroy their own items and equipment when there is imminent danger of them being captured. Because of the difficulty in igniting standard iron-thermite, plus the fact that it burns with practically no flame and has a small radius of action, standard thermite is rarely used on its own as an incendiary composition. It is more usually employed with other ingredients added to enhance its incendiary effects. Thermate-TH3 is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur and 0.3% binder. Addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, creates flame in burning and significantly reduces the ignition temperature. Although the primary purpose of Thermate-TH3 is as an incendiary, it will also weld metal surfaces together.A classic military use for thermite is disabling artillery pieces and it has been used for this purpose since the Second World War. Thermite can permanently disable artillery pieces without the use of explosive charges and therefore can be used with a reasonable amount of stealth. There are several ways to do this. By far the most destructive method is to weld the weapon shut by inserting one or more armed thermite grenades into the breech and then quickly closing it. This makes the weapon impossible to load. An alternative method is to insert an armed thermite grenade down the muzzle of the artillery piece, fouling the barrel. This makes the piece very dangerous to fire. Yet another method is to use thermite to weld the traversing and elevation mechanism of the weapon, making it impossible to aim properly. Thermite was also used in German incendiary bombs during the Blitz.
wikipediaEveryone would agree that the theory of controlled demolition could only have been pulled off by experts. Getting into those buildings and pre-wiring them would be a very organized effort and require military precision and timing. Experts wouldnt use traditional controlled demolition techniques but military adaptations of them. Thermite would fit the bill and explain why the cores came down. There were four STEEL COLUMNS that could not have come down from the fuel that was left after the fireballs. Those towers had to have been cut. Why were there only 3 stories of DEBRIS from 100+ floors?Combine it with witness testimony and dozens of reporter accounts of explosions before the towers came down (Long after impact)Then there is the molten steel, melting boots and extreme heat coming from ground zero and you have a LOT of evidence that begins to pile up in the case for explosives. Why is thermite detected in an airplane crash?VideoThis is what thermite does. Add that concept to traditional cutting down in controlled demolition. If you need to take down STEEL COLUMNS that are meant to hold a 100 story building against hurricanes and even aircraft impact. Think of the columns that were there and then think about "softening metal that would cause collapse...where is the metal when it collapses why arent the cores standing or at leasty PILED UP with the floors sandwiched between them? Did two airplane tanks melt all the steel down to a 3 story pile?